{"id":12635,"date":"2024-12-11T10:43:29","date_gmt":"2024-12-11T15:43:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/?p=12635"},"modified":"2024-12-11T10:43:29","modified_gmt":"2024-12-11T15:43:29","slug":"guile-emacs-whats-old-is-new-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/?p=12635","title":{"rendered":"Guile Emacs: What&#8217;s Old Is New Again"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\nI remember that a long time ago I was excited about the Guile Emacs project. It&rsquo;s aim was to replace Elisp with Guile Scheme while maintaining comparability by making Scheme grok Elisp. To be honest, I can no longer recall why the idea excited me. It seems like empty engineering to me now.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nRegardless, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/emacs\/comments\/1hb4om4\/guile_emacs_development_has_started_again_after_a\/\">after a decade the project has been restarted<\/a>. Robin Templeton gave a <a href=\"https:\/\/emacsconf.org\/2024\/talks\/guile\/\">talk<\/a> at <a href=\"https:\/\/emacsconf.org\/2024\/\">Emacs Conf 2024<\/a> on the current status of the project and what they hope to accomplish. A lot of what Templeton has to say boils down to:\n<\/p>\n<ul class=\"org-ul\">\n<li>Scheme being more efficient<\/li>\n<li>Scheme being a much more flexible and extendable Lisp<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\nI think my original enthusiasm was probably the result of the promise of increased performance but now that we have native compilation, that doesn&rsquo;t seem so persuasive.\n<\/p>\n<p>\nA lot of Templeton&rsquo;s argument involves the possibility of reducing the amount of C code. Unlike many others, I don&rsquo;t see C code as bad in itself, but Templeton makes the point that those parts of Emacs written in C are not extensible in the same sense that those parts written in Elisp are.<br \/>\nTo me, reducing the amount of non-extensible code is a worthy goal but I&rsquo;m inclined to think that native compilation can do that just as well,\n<\/p>\n<p>\nThe takeaway is that my previous enthusiasm notwithstanding, I don&rsquo;t really see the need for a Scheme Emacs. Still, it will be interesting to see how the projects plays out. Guile is a great platform and if Emacs were being written today, it would make sense to use it but that ship has sailed.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I remember that a long time ago I was excited about the Guile Emacs project. It&rsquo;s aim was to replace Elisp with Guile Scheme while maintaining comparability by making Scheme grok Elisp. To be honest, I can no longer recall &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/?p=12635\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[18],"class_list":["post-12635","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general","tag-emacs"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12635","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=12635"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12635\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12636,"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12635\/revisions\/12636"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=12635"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=12635"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/irreal.org\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=12635"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}